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[SilentViper]

Hi,

does anybody know how to get the extra lifes in Keen 4 - Level "Lifewater Oasis" without cheats? I just read in a german forum that there is a way when the snake is barking you that you will fly to the lifes (just to one). But ok, that makes no sence.
I think there can be a possibility to get with a borad or maybe with the diving suit...?

Any ideas?
Best regards
Jonas

[Syllypryde]

Originally, the five lifewater flasks were supposed to be reachable. Somehow by the game's final release they now are not. It is impossible to reach them without cheating. As for when the snake barks (basically, the Wormouth attacking Keen), flying to the lives (dying), is nothing more than Keen dying when hit by the Wormouth. When Keen is hit by something that can kill him, he flies in the air in a loop pattern and then drops to fall off the screen completely. On his way down if he hits another deadly object this loop pattern will repeat. On his way down he can also hit point items or even the lifewater flask as he does in your screenshot. The only purpose this actually serves is getting his life back after losing it. It would be pointless to purposely die in order to get a lifewater flask since it is impossible for Keen to get all five of them while he is dying.
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[tulip]

is that water below deadly? If yes, it should be possible to get more lives by the saving/loading glitch, after you got hit by the wormmouth. dead keen would just need to bounce for the trick to work, I never tried it myself so I can tell if he bounces there.
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[guynietoren]

Right. Plus the water is deadly except for in the well of wishes. The scuba gear is only usable on the map as far I'm aware, or at least how I would program it.

Edit: Post number 314!

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[guynietoren]

Oh ok. Still interesting though. Too bad the thing is just a big troll instead of a legit secret area.

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[Pokota]

[Paramultart]

I remember when I was little, thinking "How the heck am I supposed to get that?".

Then again, I wasn't able to figure out the Pyramid of Forbidden back then, either.
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[Keening_Product]

Maybe the water was originally meant to kill you so you did bounce along and get multiple extra lives (although losing the one you died with), as Tulip said.

Is this accessible in the K4 Demo?
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[Bubbatom]

Lifewater Oasis in the keen 4 demo is almost exactly the same as the full version's (from what I've found).
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[Commander Spleen]

The fact that the water is improvised from map tiles makes me pretty suspicious that it was meant as a troll.
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[Paramultart]

[Benvolio]

I agree with Paramultart here regarding the map tile - I personally found little details like recognising the map water in this level to add to the game's mystique, especially when I was young and unaware what developing a game like this was actually like. Little one-off idiosyncratic details, such as the map-border blue marble stuff in level 3 of Keen1 or the ice at the bottom of the teleporter level on Keen1, make the game charming in my opinion.

Besides, were they really going to spend an afternoon drawing 2.5d water akin to that in Keen6 for one scene in a free game? Unlikely!

With regards to a more generalised taboo about map tiles in levels, certainly there are limits; when i used to leveledit Keen1, using tiles such as the red background out of context felt wrong and was naturally avoided to give a more authentic feel!!

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