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VikingBoyBilly · Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:16 Post subject: Kirby's Epic Yarn? srsly?

What happened to the good old days when kirby was rough and gritty and didn't take fucl from nobody? Beating up giant flying space eyeballs with an overcompensating star stick and fighting metaknight's robots with NESS'S YOYO?!?! Viking Keen

Now he's playing around with rainbow paintbrushes, magical sparkly mirrors, and now... yarn. Freaking girly string. 4kids besmirched your character and this is how you react? By conforming to exactly the way they portrayed you? So long kirby. Your past will be a cherished childhood memory, but like Peter Wiggin the monster and Wiggin the Hegemon, you're just not who you used to be Sad

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Galaxieretter · Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:18 Post subject:

I never liked Kirby.

Look what happened to Mario. Yeah...
Nintendo just doesn't get it anymore.

tulip · Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:18 Post subject:

I'm interested in what Grandy02 (founder of a Kirby Fansite) will have to say to this if he sees it.
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DaVince · Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 14:22 Post subject:

You only learned about Epic Yarn just now?

I'm looking forward to the game, actually. Because it looks fun, and I wonder how they'll incorporate the whole yarn thing into the gameplay.

VikingBoyBilly · Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 15:24 Post subject:

mortimermcmirestinks · Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 15:28 Post subject:

I think of Kirby as a big pink marshmallow with no brains, but that's probably because I only saw him after he got "un-rough and gritty-ized", so I'm probably a very bad example.
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wiivn · Vorticon Elite Joined: 08 Jan 2008 Posts: 1407

I thought Kirby was always for the kids. Now that you cannot die, it's more obvious than ever. But the yarn idea and the graphics are pretty good actually!

Galaxieretter · Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:33 Post subject:

Lunick · Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 21:55 Post subject:

I thought the game looked cute actually
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XkyRauh · Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 16:48 Post subject:

Nintendo is a company out to make money. In order to make money, your games have to sell well. For a long time, their consoles stood on their own, supported by Nintendo-made games, because 3rd parties weren't interested (see: N64, GCN). This meant that the pressure on the 'old standards,' like Mario, Link, Samus, and Kirby, was pretty strong.

Kirby's Dreamland on the Gameboy (Kirby's first game) actually began life as a non-Kirby game. The Kirby sprite was there as a placeholder--the whole game was designed with the "suck in enemies" gimmick, but with no main character. Kirby, the little puffball, was a "I'll doodle this up real quick, and we'll put in a real character later" solution. It just so happened that he could stand on his own as a character well enough to be successful. :)

Kirby's Epic Yarn began as a game about Prince Fluff, not Kirby. The mechanics about shapeshifting with yarn and adjusting the scenery were established, but the game wasn't "clicking" because Prince Fluff wasn't an engaging enough character. So Nintendo added Kirby to the mix, and the game became not only more interesting, but it had more appeal, since the average gamer would recognize the character.

A similar thing happened back on the GameCube with Dinosaur Planet. That game, with Prince Cranky, was designed without the StarFox universe in mind--they were added at a later stage to add appeal to the game. :)

It's a fine line to draw between using a character on name-recognition status to sell product, and having a product that stands well on its own. Would Kirby's Epic Yarn have been successful, had it starred a differently-shaped Prince Fluff, without any Kirby influence? Would Dinosaur Planet have fared any better if it had no association with StarFox? The answer is probably "no" to both questions, but if you can look at both games from the lense of "what does this game offer, mechanically and gameplay-wise," rather than "how does this game demonstrate my love for a certain well-known character?" I think you can get some insight. :)

DaVince · Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 22:26 Post subject:

Smart psychological tricks. It kind of counts for SMB2 too, though the motivation for the change was different.

I don't particularly mind if the game is fun, even though I like seeing original characters. Still, Kirby fits surprisingly well into the whole yarn thing.
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XkyRauh · Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:23 Post subject:

Besides, how can you guys NOT see the OBVIOUS Keen reference in the level full of toys? There's Mangling Machine robots all over the place! COME ON GUYS!!!

VikingBoyBilly · Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:09 Post subject:

DaVince · Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 13:00 Post subject:

Wait, it's out already?

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Wikipedia states that the EU version will be released in MARCH. What the hell?
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Flyingmouse · Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:03 Post subject:

Has anyone tried using Ball to speedrun minibosses in Kirby's Adventure (and its remake)? It can kill Fire Lion in two hits, lol Dead

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