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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 15:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

More than I care about personal diet I care (in some abstract sense -- I'm not doing anything to correct the 'wrong') about distribution of food in global scale. It might get the 'developed world' back to their senses somewhat if we had a real famine for some years.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 17:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think a famine is a solution. It would only cause food producers to look for the cheapest, most efficient and most nourishing nutrition as possible to be mass-produced; in other words, changing nothing.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

my mother had an appointment with a dietitian yesterday and since she and i are in the business for us to lose weight together she asked on my behalf what was a good weight for me. she suggested at least 85kg i am 193cm tall. which means i need to lose almost 25kg more. i do a lot of physical activity at work a lot of arm exercise and walking and back bending.

she also said there was no hurry to lose it but to remain committed and replace certain foods even though i can still enjoy junk in small quantities

i am almost 30. i must lose this last 24kg cuz if i don't it will be harder as i get older to burn it off. and with there being medical history of heart problems including heart attack with the blokes in my family i need to take better care of myself
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well you seem to be doing a lot better than Chris-Chan. Keep up the work, Rorie!

I mostly eat rice and oatmeal these days, with broccoli and bananas respectively.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update: I got down to 143lbs and have actually made an effort to safely gain a few. I'm up to 150lbs now and I intend on keeping that as a stable weight.

My diet is no longer vegan, as I have incorporated egg-whites into my diet. (There is no fat and zero cholesterol in eggs when you extract and discard the yolks, and only 1g less protein. My eggs are grown locally on a happy organic farm, where the chickens are free to roam around.)

I just started making fat-free, sodium-free bread, which I use for egg-white sandwiches. For cheese, I use nutritional yeast, and for a little extra kick, I'll use a very modest amount of Liquid Aminos (a healthier alternative to soy sauce), totaling the sodium of the entire sandwich to less than 100mg.

I'll also make low-fat tacos. Rather than frying corn tortillas, I'll drape them over the edge of a pan, and bake them until hard.
Instead of ground beef, I'll fill my tacos with beans, rice, lettuce, nutritional yeast, and a little Liquid Aminos. Tastes amazing.

The beans I get have no salt added, and the tortillas I use have a mere 3mg of sodium per serving.

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It's funny how sugar, fat and sodium count as 100% unhealthy, while you need all of them to live.


It's funny how you think anyone is saying that.
The sodium you need should be obtained through dark leafy greens, celery, et cetera. You only need 500mg per day, and under 1,500mg is recommended. Many Americans consume a whopping 8,000mg+ of sodium per day, which combined with many other factors of the American diet, leave no speculation as to why heart disease is the leading cause of death here.

The only fats you need are monounsaturated fats and polyunsaturated fats, and the best sources for those "healthy fats" is from nuts, avocados, and unheated, healthy oils, such as olive oil, sunflower oil, safflower oil, et cetera.

As far as sugar goes, well, you should be eating plenty of fruit anyway, since it's basically essential for many aspects of nutrition.

So yes, your body does need sodium, healthy fats, and sugar, but they should be from healthy, natural sources, in moderation. The more you concentrate and process things, the worse for you it generally is.

Too often I hear people justify their poor eating habits by making claims like "MAH BODEH NEEDS TEH FAT", as they gorge themselves with fried foods, salty/sugary snacks, and meat.

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As far as meat goes, well, I'm not really that opposed to it; however, I've noticed that most of the people who usually say "Meat is fine in moderation" have absolutely no moderation whatsoever, and are complete, raging lardbutts with a life-expectancy of 38.

They're also the type of people who think that "protein" is the only nutrient, or that milk is actually good for you because it "builds strong bones".

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While not all mental problems originate from malnutrition, a whole slew of problems can, and most likely will, and proper nutrition can actually help the symptoms of a lot of mental disorders.

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"Studies have indicated that daily supplements of vital nutrients are often effective in reducing patients' symptoms. Supplements containing amino acids have also been found to reduce symptoms, as they are converted to neurotransmitters which in turn alleviate depression and other mental health problems."


Yes, believe it or not, what you eat actually DOES affect you, and there are consequences for all of your actions.

For further reading, check out this book.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 13:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grimson wrote:
I don't think a famine is a solution. It would only cause food producers to look for the cheapest, most efficient and most nourishing nutrition as possible to be mass-produced; in other words, changing nothing.


Aye, food is actually pretty cheap, but only the unhealthy kind; that's why homeless people are starting to get an obesity problem.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 21:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paramultart wrote:
tulip wrote:
It's funny how sugar, fat and sodium count as 100% unhealthy, while you need all of them to live.


It's funny how you think anyone is saying that.


Believe me I know many people who ARE actually saying that. I mean IRL, but as you would expect few of them know how to start a computer and use the internet to form an opinion of their own and instead just follow hearsay trends. The sad thing is that a healthy food trend as there is in Germany right now would be something useful if it didn't come bundled with pseudo-medicine that is at best useless but dangerous at times.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paramultart wrote:
zero cholesterol in eggs when you extract and discard the yolks, and only 1g less protein. My eggs are grown locally on a happy organic farm, where the chickens are free to roam around.)

I thought the whole cholesterol in yolks thing was dispelled as a myth.
But yay, happy chickens Happy
Also, one of the weirder things I've picked up from watching the Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson is that eating oats actually DOES decrease cholesterol.
Also also, I agree with Tulip on this thing - many people don't consider natural sugars and so on. On a mildly related note: I once met someone who is allergic to fructose!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 17:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

I met someone who lost over 100 pounds over about a year and is still losing weight. This person looked like a whale.


Anyways, the person would eat anything. The most important thing they said is to watch the calories, how many you take in and take out. It makes sense.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 19:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I don't think eggs are as bad as what they're made out to be. They have essential nutrients (not made by the body but still needed) like protein and choline. I could not find where in the egg that good stuff is located, but I'm guessing that it's the yolk. If you're not using the yolk, you're missing out on good stuff like leutine and Vitamins A, E, D, and K. Some people combed through data and made a handy table you can find here(as well as link to source data): Egg Yolk Nutrients. One caution: people recommend eating egg yolks raw to preserve these nutrients. I can't quite make myself want to do that. The whites are lower in cholesterol, but have less desirable attributes, such as blocking the absorption of biotin.

I like organic, but I am living with my parents and three siblings. We can't afford to eat lots of organic because the cost for 6 servings is prohibitive, especially for something we eat a lot, like eggs. We ate organic green beans last night, however.

I think that unless you have an allergy, you should eat from all the food groups because foods in general have more than one good thing going for them. You should not need supplements of any sort.

From what I've read, the culprit behind obesity is due to gm grains, fructose, and fake foods in general rather than meat, eggs, and salt. Really? 1.5 g Na per day to maintain all those Na-K pumps and bodily fluids? That seems far too low.

Finally, people are different and so work best on different diets. My mom lost 30 lbs (13.6 kg) about 1.5 years ago and has maintained it with a protein-rich diet with lots of fish, chicken, pork, and beef. I read somewhere about schizophrenics being put on an all-animal-product diet and seeing improvement. Other people might do well with meat once or twice a week.
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